A beginner's work in progress.......
How are we going to survive 4 more years?
Published on November 26, 2004 By dabe In Politics
Yesterday,s New York Times editorial was about the GOP leadership looking to cut, and possibly eliminate the Pell Grants that enable poor and worthy people to get a higher education Link . Now that the election is over, all holds previously barred are unbarred, including these massive strikes in Iraq, and the raping of our society here. The massive rout in Iraq was necessary, I suppose, given that we allowed the insurgents to run off with all the weapons, and then had to go find them to prevent a lot of future bombings. But still, we've destroyed a city to get them back. We've killed lots of people to get them back. What a major screw up.

But, back to the Pell Grants......... were it not for the grants, I would not have been able to go back to school. It would have just been totally beyond my reach. I was on welfare at the time, back in the late 1970's and '80's. I had a dipshit husband and two kids. Welfare sustained us, though I knew it wasn't how I wanted to fashion my entire life. I knew I needed to go back to school, or I really was going to spend the rest of my life on welfare or low-paying, non-sustaining jobs. I needed more, not just for the money, but also for my intellectual growth, and my self asteem. So, I applied for Pell Grants, was approved, and went to college. With the two kids, ten years, and additional student loans, I got my professional degree, a Bachelors of Landscape Architecture. I subsequently took the 3-day, misery making licensing exam, passed and now am a gainfully employed person.

I now make almost $80K/year, of which a substantial chunk goes to taxes. So, instead of supporting me on a sub-subsistence living for my entire life, the Pell Grants have enabled me to be a contributor to the general economy of this country. The Pell Grants worked for me and thousands and thousands of other low income individuals, allowing us to give back to the government over and over and over what they gave to us. In other words, by not paying into a significant program now, we will all pay through the nose later in the added costs to society, and the loss in future revenues. In fact, though, the cost to fund the Pell Grants is chump change compared to what the feds spend in overall budget expenditures. There is absolutely no savings worth a damn to be made by cutting these grants. It's short sighted bullshit.

This is sickening. And, adding insult to injury, the GOP leadership and all they misguided followers want to reduce, if not eliminate entirely, the entire welfare program. What the fuck are people supposed to do? How does giving tax breaks to people at the top going to stimulate the economy, when at the same time they are proposing to take away any assistence at the bottom. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that more and more people have become homeless, lost health insurance, and educational benefits under this oppressive GOP leadership crap, and are losing more and more of any hope of ever moving up. More and more people resort to drugs and crime, as poverty doesn't really allow much else, and the solution....... build more prisons to house the poverty stricken, outsource the adminstration and maintenance of them so corporations make tons of money on them from, yup, you guessed it, Uncle Sam. Or, should I say "Uncle Scam"? The far reaching ramificatations of defunding such a simple program is huge and wide spread.

I hate the GOP. I hate them so freakin' much. They are the most selfish, self-serving, short sighted, stupid, did I say selfish and self serving, ignorant assholes. No holds barred from me. I will continue to fight this crap for as long as it takes to unseat these assholes. I hate the leadership and I hate the people who support them. They are an insult to society at large.

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on Nov 26, 2004
Umm out of 80 k a year exactly how much do you pay forward to others less monitarily challanged?
on Nov 26, 2004
I hate the GOP. I hate them so freakin' much. They are the most selfish, self-serving, short sighted, stupid, did I say selfish and self serving, ignorant assholes. No holds barred from me. I will continue to fight this crap for as long as it takes to unseat these assholes. I hate the leadership and I hate the people who support them.


I would sudjest a yoga class to lower some of that rage you got there. We sould be lucky that you have the internet to let that rage get released. I would feel sorry for the next Republican you come accross if you didn't have this outlet.

That's My Two Cents

P.S. I am serious dabe.
on Nov 26, 2004
Unless you stop reading that rag (NYT), you're going to need some serious blood pressure medication real soon, dabe. Know what & where all this hate-spew is going to get you? Zip, nada, zilch and nowhere cubed.

Thanks for sharing. Maybe there was something in that Turkey?

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 26, 2004
To back up just a little, let me say congrats to you for what you've accomplished. Judging from your grit (as expressed here), I suspect you would have found another way had Pell Grants not been an option. As much as I disagree with the politics and tone of your post, your story is one of determination and success and is to be admired. Props to you.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 26, 2004
I hate the GOP leadership

By: dabe
Posted: Friday, November 26, 2004 on Dabe's Site
Message Board: Politics
No holds barred from me. I will continue to fight this crap for as long as it takes to unseat these assholes. I hate the leadership and I hate the people who support them. They are an insult to society at large.


Your in for a helleva long fight. And if you hate people like me ( who support the GOP) then I guess it's alright if we hate people like you?

I would have to say you also are an insult to society at large.
on Nov 26, 2004
Dumb
on Nov 26, 2004
As much as I disagree with the politics and tone of your post, your story is one of determination and success and is to be admired. Props to you.


Thank you, Daiwa. Yeah the turkey was goooooood. As for my determination and grit, yup, I've got it. I also know truly that without the Pell Grant, I would have been screwed. Maybe I would have found a way, but that's missing the point of my article. Lots of people without grit and determination would not have found a way, Without being born with a silver spoon, a lot of people would have been screwed. So, why, when the cost to the overall federal budget is so, so insignificant, why do away with the program? It just doesn't make any sense at all. Particularly in light of the tax breaks to wealthy people who do not need the assistance. That's my point. Another point is that I am so completely sure that if we had a democratic administration, the Pell Grants would not be axed. This really is a huge separation between philosophies and ideologies of the left and the right.

By the way, Daiwa, you've put up with a lot of my verbal abuse, yet you come back with such a smile all the time. I know we will never see eye to eye on lots of issues, but I do know that I can learn alot from you. Thank you.
on Nov 26, 2004
And if you hate people like me ( who support the GOP) then I guess it's alright if we hate people like you?


drmiler, I will always hate you, and everything you stand for. You're a disgrace. As for which one of us is the insult to society at large, you're the fascist, homophobic, racist disgrace. You make me sick. As for whether it's alright if the GOP hates people like me, well, that's not anything that we give a rat's ass about.

Yeah, I'm in a helluva long fight; I'm in it for the long haul. That's my grit and tenacity at work.
on Nov 26, 2004
I would sudjest a yoga class to lower some of that rage you got there. We sould be lucky that you have the internet to let that rage get released. I would feel sorry for the next Republican you come accross if you didn't have this outlet.


I'm really not sure whether to say thank you for your concern for me, or just write you off for missing my point.

As for my rage, I'm not a gun-toting psychotic waiting to blow away the first GOPer who crosses my path. I'm just a person who is determined to express my outrage at what I see is an increasingly devisive and corrupt administration. So, I come here, having found this place via my interest in skinning, this predominantly republican blogsite, to express my views. I have no desire to go to a left blogsite and preach to the choir. There are plenty of people doing that. I originally came here with some sites I felt like sharing. Then I was accused of being condescending and patronizing. Then, accused of being downright kook and lefty pinko nutcase. So, I just let all my emotions over the politics hang out. I don't need to see a doctor to lower my blood pressure (which hovers around 110/70), thank you very much. Yeah, I have rage over what I see as global injustices being perpetrated by the Bush administration. Yeah, I will fight it till they are exposed for the frauds that they are. That's me. That's my tenacity.
on Nov 26, 2004
Umm out of 80 k a year exactly how much do you pay forward to others less monitarily challanged?


Truly, I don't understand what you're asking here. Do you want to know what I pay in taxes? Do you want to know how much I contribute to charities? How much I pay to pay off my debts incurred from being a single parent? Does "less monitarily challenged" mean make more money than me? Why would I pay forward to them? Hmmmmmmm..........



on Nov 26, 2004
drmiler, I will always hate you, and everything you stand for. You're a disgrace. As for which one of us is the insult to society at large, you're the fascist, homophobic, racist disgrace. You make me sick. As for whether it's alright if the GOP hates people like me, well, that's not anything that we give a rat's ass about.


Come on, dabe - don't hold back, let it all out. You bucking for Condi Rice's job?

Sorry, I cracked up laughing at that reply. Only thing I could do. Would have done Carlin proud.

And thanks for your kind words, however undeserved - I've gotten a little cranky with you on occasion, as I recall. And I think we all learn from sharing ideas, long as we don't let our emotions get too far away from us. Hopefully, we'll all come away a little more aware & understanding, though I doubt drmiler's in too understanding a mood just now. I may disagree about a lot, but I'm beginning to cotton to your style & sharp wit (fascist & racist might be a tad over the top, though).

Glad the Turkey was tasty.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 26, 2004
It's posts like these that make me proud to be a Republican!
on Nov 26, 2004
Reply By: drmiler Posted: Friday, November 26, 2004
I hate the GOP leadership

By: dabe
Posted: Friday, November 26, 2004 on Dabe's Site
Message Board: Politics
No holds barred from me. I will continue to fight this crap for as long as it takes to unseat these assholes. I hate the leadership and I hate the people who support them. They are an insult to society at large.


Your in for a helleva long fight. And if you hate people like me ( who support the GOP) then I guess it's alright if we hate people like you?

I would have to say you also are an insult to society at large. hello drmiler, we have {gop members} be the larger person and NOT ALLOW whiner demoncrapick hate and rumor mongers drag us down.
on Nov 26, 2004
Hey moderato, I just blacklisted drmiler. Nothing he can possibly say has any interest to me whatsoever. Consider yourself plonked also
on Nov 26, 2004
I wonder what you would have done if there were no Pell grants? Was that the only thing that made it possible for you to succeed? How sad that you give the Government so much credit for your success and so little to yourself.

Everyone complains about the Government spending to much money. God help them if they cut the program that you support instead of the bad or stupid one that makes no sense to you.

If you read or study the constitution 80% of what the Government spends money on is wrong. The way it taxes its citizens is wrong. And your pissed about the Pell Grant. Beam me up Scotty.
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