Screw all you GOPers

Why? Because they're evil GOP bastards!

ahhh........clearly that intellectual liberalism I've been hearing so much about. Boy. It's a good thing ya stopped the bashing.

How do I go about righting the foolishness of my ways and enter into a new era of bipartisan friendship? Save me oh mighty savior.

P.S. Just in case you missed the delicate note of sarcasm........TTTTHHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! (and happy new year's!)

Excellent article dabe. Worthy of an Insightful.

There is an article over at Mikes sight. I'm sure you've already read it. It compares Republicans and the tactics they use against Democrats to the tactics of domestic abusers. The article is from the perspective of a person who works in a shelter with abused women and children and knows all too well the signs. The similarities are unnerving.

Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans

That is really a matter of opinion, and yet you seem to believe it is fact. Based on that simple statement, I would have to assume that you do not look at political issues with an open mind but rather already have an opinion to which you look for evidence to back yourself up.

wow, zorven....insightful from me....myself...i like to read everyone's stand....then make my personal decision as to who to "side" with.....the left leaning liberals....i can't get past their opinionated facts

Wow such ignorance combined with such gullibility. Do you realize how much yoru article turns history on its head?

Wrong side of Vietnam? You're kidding right? It was Democrats that got us in there and escalated it and a Republican who got us out. Talk about reversing roles.

Civil liberties? Let's see, New Deal was 1933 right? Democrats were the party of Jim Crowe and segregation in 1933. The Republican platform in the previous election included civil rights and the garauntee to vote for all Americans.  As a point of fact, the Democrats have been on the wrong side of civil rights until after 1964 when they finally became more civilized and adopted the Republican position.

"Consumer issues" What exactly does that even mean?

Reproductive freedom? Hey, I'm pro-choice but even I'm not haughty enough (and you know me, I'm pretty damn haughty) to make a  crass "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude on the abortion issue. If you think abortion is murder, then how can you possibly argue that they're wrong?

Gun policy? What exactly IS the Democratic policy on guns? The Republican policy on guns is pretty straight forward - follow the second amendment.

Campaign finance "reform"? You mean the thing that gave us those wonderful 527s? Yea, give yourself a hand..

Do you realize how extremist you sound? I can honestly say that the only reaction I have to an article like this is satisfaction in knowing that the left hasn't learned its lesson from its most recent defeat - it's driven by blind ideology and its followers are too intellectually lazy to learn historical facts themselves and thus are susceptible to this kind of propaganda.

What's next? Democrats going to claim they were on the right side of slavery too? At least they aren't as bold to claim that they were on the right side during the Wilson administration (Democrat) who was openly a segregationlist. He actually ended a host of integration programs that Teddy Rossevelt had implemented in the government. He also plunged us into World War I resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans (who were drafted mind you).  In fact, Democrats really do seem to like the draft other people into their wars.

But luckily for them, they've got people like you who will blindly believe what is written. You know, the Vietnam war wasn't so long ago that you really have any excuse to not know its basic history.

Wrong side of Vietnam? You're kidding right? It was Democrats that got us in there and escalated it and a Republican who got us out. Talk about reversing roles.

You're kidding right? You don't know that Eisenhower got us into Vietnam? And Nixon caved into pressure to get out of Vietnam.

Gun policy? What exactly IS the Democratic policy on guns? The Republican policy on guns is pretty straight forward - follow the second amendment.

The Republican view of the 2nd ammendment is pretty broad as is the position of the NRA.

Campaign finance "reform"? You mean the thing that gave us those wonderful 527s? Yea, give yourself a hand..

Errrrr.............Didn't your beloved John McCain have something to do with that? Oh yeah, The McCain-Feingold Bill. Gee, by only telling 1/2 the story,it kind of makes your twisted argument. Personally, I was against the bill. It opened the door to more abuse than not having it. Why don't you poll people here and see how many actually supported it. I'd venture that most people, cons and libs alike, were for the bill.

Wrong side of Vietnam? You're kidding right? It was Democrats that got us in there and escalated it and a Republican who got us out. Talk about reversing roles.

It was a bipartisan fiasco, for sure, and as whoman pointed out, we became entrenched there during the Eisenhower administration. But, it was the liberals who marched against it in a big way, with conservatives and republicans actually making the case to stay there and fight that communism monster.

Civil liberties? Let's see, New Deal was 1933 right? Democrats were the party of Jim Crowe and segregation in 1933. The Republican platform in the previous election included civil rights and the garauntee to vote for all Americans. As a point of fact, the Democrats have been on the wrong side of civil rights until after 1964 when they finally became more civilized and adopted the Republican position.

Given that you may be right about this history (admittedly I don't know it), but being familiar with your penchant to skew fact to suit your argument, and leave out half the facts, your argument is less than believable. You left out the part where the conservatives today are willing to forfiet civil liberties. The Patriot Act is a prime example of a total forteiture of civil liberties, throwing out free speech, enabling searches and seizures without warrants, invading private medical records and library accounts, book store purchases, etc. to mine information that may be used against someone. And, there is nothing in the Patriot Act that limits what that information can be used for, be it terrorism or just some petty misdemeanor.

Gun policy? What exactly IS the Democratic policy on guns? The Republican policy on guns is pretty straight forward - follow the second amendment.

The Second Amendment states ".A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. But, the conservatives have broadened that interpretation to mean that anyone at all can bear arms, whether they be militia or not; whether they are criminals or not. They make no differentiation between a hunting rifle and an assault weapon; for use against people or against a buck in the woods. They do not want to limit gun ownership in any way, even if to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Cons use this bullshit argument that restricting guns will result in only criminals having guns. That is so specious, given that thousands of underserving criminals were denied the right to purchase guns under the Brady Gun Control Act. So please, draginol, save the gun argument for someone who already buys into your specious argument.

Reproductive freedom? Hey, I'm pro-choice but even I'm not haughty enough (and you know me, I'm pretty damn haughty) to make a crass "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude on the abortion issue. If you think abortion is murder, then how can you possibly argue that they're wrong?

Huh????? Are you saying we actually agree on pro choice? That's nice. But, you're in the minority among republicans, and the republican platform is strongly against a woman's right to choose. So, you're supporting the platform whether you believe it or not.

Actually, draginol, I am not an extremist. I am not an anarchist. I am pro choice, pro universal health care, anti assault weapons on our streets, anti corporate greed and welfare, pro education for all, anti the Iraq invasion, pro separation of church and state, pro food and housing for the needy, to just name a few issues. So, how do these things make me "extremist"? The term "extremist" is yet another one of your hate mongering terms used to bash liberals. And, it's this constant bashing and 1/2 truths that make me inclined to bash GOPers. You're a typical GOPer in that respect. Half truths and innuendos, sleazy specious arguments, and hyperbole, all typical of the conservative GOP. The only thing that makes me "extremist" is that I'm very vocal about these issues. That's all. So again, save your preaching for your choir.

So, you're supporting the platform whether you believe it or not.

So that means you support everything that the Democrats support if you're a Democrat, including NAFTA?

So, how do these things make me "extremist"?

It's your attitude that makes you an extremist, not necessarily your views.

The term "extremist" is yet another one of your hate mongering terms used to bash liberals.

If that's considered hate-mongering, then what about everything you've said about conservatives? Sure, you could say that they asked for it, but does that mean that hate mongering is sometimes justified?