First of all, I doubt very much if you can find many left wingers that consider John or Robert heros of theirs.

You live in Isreal, correct? Or am I mistaken?
Come to American shores and you'll get a different perspective. The Kennedys are worshipped here as the ideal liberal crusaders, and, as such, are forgiven for any and all faults. Kenndy might have gotten us into Vietnam, but it was Johnson who screwed it all up; Kenndy did hold the line and make Kruschev back down. Many who knew Kruschev at the time have said that he was never willing to actually use nuclear missles and chance destroying the world to defend pissy little Cuba. Still,

I give JFK proper credit here; he didn't know that, and still was willing to stand on principle rather than let it go. Think, say, Clinton would have been that steady and strong, if it had happened during his term? I doubt it.

You live in Isreal, correct? Or am I mistaken?

Yes I live in Israel, but was born in the United States and was there during the 60s.

As for LBJ,Mod... his hand was ready to swear on the Bible before JFK was even declared dead. Too many people were silenced by death in that case to not wonder who really was behind it.

*"Off topic note to RW, since I can't respond on the other thread about this topic, (some people are just too chicken to let me speak to them directly.)


Don't let the specious argument that whites get more welfare than blacks do over on that other thread throw ya off. Of COURSE we do, but comparitively speaking, a MUCH larger percentage of blacks recieve aid. Remember, they're only like...17% of the population.

I'm sure there are many reasons for that, which needn't be rehashed here, but the claim itself is specious when you look at relative percentages of the populations involved.

Its an old trick, and Im surprised you haven't given it a proper rebuttal over there"*---little whip

Thanks, LW....niggling (oops...was that a racist term?) little details like that often escape my notice.

--shadesofgrey Thanks, shades....this might have been true at that time, but what about historically? Would it hold up then? You know what I find most fascinating and annoying about those of the liberal persuasion in general? How very, completely and utterly, willing you are to surrender the evidence of your own two eyes and personal experience, in favor of statistics compiled by people you want fervently to believe. No matter what we're talking about...race relations, global warming, the economy....you're more willing to believe numbers on a chart rather than your own eyes. That's just idiocy.

I havent' been able to find newer data. I will have a bit of a look later. I was intrigued by the comment and just wanted to see if it is true--I admit my ignorance on the matter.

you might be able to see the indisputable fact that whites collect more welfare money than do members of any other race.

I think you have to look at the percentages of groups in a population and how each group is collecting.For example, where I live we have a small %age of blacks but they are committing a large %age of the crime.

MLK >> worried about the fate of his people...

GWB >> worried about the fate of Trent Lott's beach house...

'Nuff said...

(check out my katrina timeline when you get a chance, Diane, k?)

thanks, Mike. I'll check it out now.

MLK >> worried about the fate of his people...

---Myrr

Would he be happy with the direction fate has carried them?
Relying for entire generations on myriad government programs constructed mainly, and often exclusively, for their use? Employing guilt, reverse racism and aggressive political correctness in order to extort a level acceptance from the whites, rather than trying to earn it for themselves?

If that's the example he set for them, maybe I should reexamine my admiration for him.

great post!!

great post!!

---SJ

My post, or the article in general? If you're referring to mine, thanks...if not...(shrugs) okay.