As for name calling, if you notice, I do that AFTER I've made my point,

So what? You lobbed the first name-calling volley. Take responsibility, instead of weaseling out of it, by deflecting it with a dumb excuse for doing so. As for making points, I don't buy it.

I admit to name calling, I do accept it, I even accept names thrown my way... if you can come up with an especially well thought out one, I even give cookies. ;~D

As for "buying it", that's your call, all I can do is put it up for sale. ;~D

Yet another "setback" today. Newsday Link

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Sunni-led insurgents killed at least nine people with a car bomb in a crowded vegetable market Friday, the Muslim day of worship, in the second blast against Shiite civilians in as many days, police said. The death toll rose to nearly 100 from the previous day's attacks in another Shiite town.Elsewhere, in the southern city of Basra, an Iraqi police convoy was ambushed late Thursday, killing four policemen and wounding one, said police Capt. Mushtaq Khazim.The surge of violence before an Oct. 15 referendum on Iraq's constitution has killed at least 194 people, including 13 U.S. service members, in the past five days.

There is more at the link. When are you warmongers gonna get it? We are not progressing in Iraq. Not at all. We've created hell on Earth over there, and civil war is breaking out no matter what the US does.

I was watching Lehrer Report last night, and they had a segment, a debate about whether we are actually making progress or not. That was the word they used. Progress. Needless to say, some diehard dumbya supporters think that in spite of the death and mayhem, we're making progress. But, they couldn't even define "progress".

And, I saw a political ad for New Jersey governors race. The dems are using any association with the dumbya dummy as a political liability. I am so not surprised. Bush is a political liability. He's a horrific liability to this country. He's going down, and he'll likely take others down with him. Even the repubs are distancing themselves from his follies, foibles and felonies.

RAAAGH, RAAAGH, RAAAGH, TERRORIST..... RAAAGH, RAAGH, RAAGH.... Ooops, I mean Freedom Fighters. Ohh, and don't forget: "I'm supporting the Troops".

Hoping for death, murder, and a terror filled life for millions of Iraqis, just to feel good about your ideological self is just warped.

Congrates, you just scored a point for your side.

But the true winners from your type of support of our troops, are not going to be the troops or the Iraqis. Wake up dabe, this is not a game.

You're right. It's not a game. Yet, for all the chest pounding and rah rah rah-ing to go kill the Iraqis, you'd think we were sitting at some computer game, the kind that is so attractive to adolescent males with way too much testosterone floating through their systems.

It's not a game that we go and invade a country, killing thousands upon thousands of their citizens, based on cooked intelligence and outright lies. It's not a game where we send our own sons and daughters to a foreign land to impose democracy at the end of a gun.

This is not game, yet for all the "support the troops" crap I hear from the neocons, you'd think it was a game. They send people to die and/or be maimed, in a foreign land where we have no business, then turn around and cut the budgets off their backs, by limiting spending on their health care, housing for their families, education for their kids. Support the troops, my ass. This is not a game. This is real. This is bloody. This is criminal.

More troops died training for Operation Overlord (D-Day) than have been killed in Iraq. I guess to you, D-Day never should have happened.

Support the troops, my ass. This is not a game. This is real. This is bloody. This is criminal.

Then if you don't what to support the troops, I wish you would be quite.

I am a soldier in this war. I have not yet been on the lines this time, but I have already have been in a place called Somalia. I have seen what happens to soldiers and civilians that have had their President turn a mission on it's head and then turn tail and run. Thus leaving the volunteers in Somalia that we had been training to become the first organized police force, just to get hunted down after we abandoned then. Call me an ideologue or a Neocon (If you truly know who and what a Neocon is) if you wish, but those Iraqi Army/Police recruits risking their lives just to sign up and save their country, deserve more then a shallow grave you wish for them, just because you have gained a hatred for the present President.

The sad thing is that two soldiers that I have served with in the past, died last week in a Chinook crash in Afghanistan. In the past CW3 Flynn and myself had worked, traveled and even played a few rounds of Golf together. While I had spoken with SGT Steward, he had only joined the unit just before I moved on. I will be attending their funerals next week. I do not truly blame anyone for their deaths, they had died serving their country, service, State of Nevada, and the people of Afghanistan. But I do truly believe that all those people who think that lives will be save if we “leave now” will be responsible for more deaths in the future, then any policy wanting to bring freedom to other countries. Millions died under Saddom, millions died in the purges in South Vietnam after we left, whole sections to Mogadishu was starved to death by the Warlord, and millions died in Eastern Europe when the US turned a blind eye after WW2. But you consider 1,900 US volunteer soldier to much to stop the killing. I am just not wanting your ungrateful remarks and short sighted political axe grinding, from keeping those of uses trying to ultimately save lives from doing so. Every time you and your ilk open your mouths “peace at all cost“, remember you are risking one only our lives, but those millions of lives you feel should not deserve the freedoms you enjoy.