A beginner's work in progress.......
Why are facts so unimportant to them?
Published on September 24, 2005 By dabe In Politics
I was thinking about writing an article about why I think conservatives are conservatives, why republicans are republicans and why in hell they cannot, or refuse to put together the facts that would make the sanest of people go hmmmmmmm.........................

In other words, it seems to me that republicans refuse to accept facts, but instead rely solely on some kind of preconceived notion of morality, that being their definition of morality, in spite of and regardless of facts that would prove that some things this administration is doing just doesn't add up to anything I would consider as moral.

OK, I realize that what I consider to be moral is letting people live their lives without religious intrusion from government, without stealing people's money for corporate interests, spending whatever it takes to educate children, as they are our future, and providing health care to all citizens regardless of employment or lack thereof, as a right belonging to all Americans, rather than to only some privileged few (leaving out 45 million people from health care access is not a few people), protecting our environment using whatever resources we have at our disposal, as this is our home, our only home.

Republicans consider morality as supporting our president, right or wrong, and now particularly to rationalize an illegal war, legislating away the rights of women to obtain abortions, if that is what a woman would choose for herself, allow schools to teach religion as a science (though some would insist that it should be taught as a philosophy, as long as it's taught, which they feel is must be), allowing corporations to police themselves when it comes to environmental pollution, as anything less would constitute federal intrusion into private lives, yet at the same time, insist that gays should not be allowed to marry, even though that is a federal intrusion into private lives, etc. etc. etc. The difference being that repubs seem to think that government should intrude on private individuals lives, but not on private corporations' interests, that being only money interests, the bottom line. Huh? Where is the morality in that?

When I finally do write my article, I'll likely not post it here. This blog at JU is only a way for me to fish out republican thinking, discompassionate mindsets, and even racism. I use the info I get here as fodder for my real blogsite, which I have recently just started.

Anyway, I was hunting around the internet to start thinking about my article, when I came across this forum post. I am reposting it here, because it is so dead on accurate, and boggles my mind in it's very telling sentiment.


Things you have to believe to be a Republican today


* Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime,
unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you
need our prayers for your recovery.

* The United States should get out of the United Nations,
but our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

* Government should relax regulation of Big Business and
Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.

* "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers
and moving their jobs to India and China.

* A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own
body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

* Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals
and Hillary Clinton.

* The best way to improve military morale is to praise the
troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

* Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you
someday run for governor of California as a Republican.

* If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

* A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies,
then demand their cooperation and money.

* HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.

* Using US tax dollars to provide health care to all Iraqis is sound policy.
Providing national health care to all Americans is socialism.

* Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science,
but creationism should be taught in schools.

* Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him,
a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

* A president lying about an extramarital affair is an
impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in
which thousands die and 100's of billions of US tax dollars are pissed away is solid defense policy.

* Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution,
which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

* The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades,
but George Bush's military and driving record is none of our business.

* You support states' rights, which means Attorney General
John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.

* What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest,
but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

* Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam
is vital to a spirit of international harmony.



Comments (Page 1)
on Sep 24, 2005
Excellent points!
You left one out... Malfunctioning brains!
on Sep 24, 2005
I just came across this list. It's a goody.......

The Conservative Dictionary

in totally random order....

ACLU
Bad, because they defend parts of the Bill of Rights

NRA
Good, because they defend parts of the Bill of Rights

Criminal
Someone who breaks the law, unless the law has anything to do with guns, selling arms to Iran, or refusing to pay your taxes.
In those cases, you are a...

Victim of society
Any white male, especially a conservative one, who are suffering now more than any other race in all history.

Leech, Welfare bum/queen
Any person on the government dole, EXCEPT for corporations receiving tax write-offs, ranchers and farmers receiving subsidies, and defense contractors.

Libertarianism
Survival of the fittest, and if you don't like it, you don't deserve to survive

Liberal
Anyone who shows human compassion, or reads the New York Times

Christian
Anyone who is a member of the Christian Coalition

Godless Atheist
Anyone who is not a member of the Christian Coalition

The Homosexual Agenda
Gay people exercising their rights to free speech and to petition the government for redress of grievances

Grassroots citizens' movement
Conservative people exercising their rights to free speech and to petition the government for redress of grievances

Republican Party
A political party which welcomes all conservatives, as long as they are pro-life, pro-gun, and anti everything else.

Democratic Party
Communists

Gays, Feminists, Environmentalists, Immigrants, Blacks
These didn't exist until they were invented by liberals back in the 1960's

Washington
The heart of the Evil Empire.

Bureaucrat
A Democrat working for the government.

Public Servant
A Republican working for the government.

Rush Limbaugh
The leading conservative intellectual (do I really need to insert a snide comment here?)

Extremist
Bill Clinton

Moderate
Pat Robertson

Guns and Ammo magazine
Pornography for conservatives

Our Founding Fathers
The true heroes who persevered and founded a nation conceived in liberty, and who also share identical beliefs with Rush Limbaugh.

Religion
What should be taught at public schools instead of science

Evolution
A kooky cult started by Charles Darwin

Jesus Christ
An conservative Republican leader to whom some erroneously attribute the phrases "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" to.

Ronald Reagan
The greatest President ever.

Abraham Lincoln
Was a Republican when the party began 140 years ago, so he can be forgiven for freeing the slaves and suppressing states' rights.

States rights
The right for individual states to pass conservative laws without interference from Washington. Note: does not apply if states pass liberal laws.

Judicial activism
What liberal judges do.

Sound jurisprudence
What conservative judges do

Pro-lifer
One who is willing to kill to preserve life.

Traditional Values
The classic values and morals that made America great, such as lynching blacks, beating up gays, and keeping the "little woman" barefoot and pregnant.

Pro-family politician
Any thrice-divorced Republican congressman late on child-support payments who is against gay marriage

Criminals Rights
Should be ignored unless said criminal is a member of wacko religious cult or is firearms dealer.

Liberal (2)
A conservative who has been arrested

Liberal media
Anything to the left of the American Spectator, G. Gordon Liddy, or Rush Limbaugh

Public Broadcasting
Rush Limbaugh (historical note: Newt Gingrich actually said this!)

Family Values
A mother and father who vote Republican raising two kids who attend a private school in the suburbs and attend a conservative church.

Subversive elements in society
Bookstores, coffeehouses, art galleries, and anything inside the city limits of a major American city.

RKBA
The Right to Kill and Bomb Americans

Special Rights
Constitutional rights for minorities you don't like.

Islamic Fundamentalism
The greatest threat to the Integrity of our Beloved Nation.(Fact: Limbaugh has said this on many an occasion)

Christian Fundamentalism
The greatest hope for the Integrity of our Beloved Nation.

Religion
Conservative Biblical literalism.

Cult
An institution that is not a RELIGION (see above).

Scholarship
Any work such as The Bell Curve, The American Spectator, or The Limbaugh Letter.

Liberal Ideology
Anything espoused in the work of Stephen Jay Gould, Noam Chomsky, or The Nation.

Big Government
Federal social programs that attempt to construct a more rational, fair society.

Proper Government
Billions upon billons of tax dollars wastefully spent on inefficient and otherwise prohibitively costly defense contracts, subsidies and tax breaks for corporations, and "The War on Drugs."
on Sep 24, 2005
Liberal Dictionary
LiberalSpeak English
Tax cut. Tax increase
No tax increase. Big tax increase
Tax increase. Look out!
Taxes are last resort. Tax increase will be first item on the agenda
Read my lips. Tax increase
Spending cut. Spending increase
Deficit reduction. Tax increase
Balanced budge.t Tax and spend increase
Tax the rich. Tax anyone with a job
Deserving poor. People who vote for liberals
Undeserving poor. People who work
Monopoly. Corporation with market cap over $500 million
Profit. Gross revenue
Corporate welfare. Gross revenue minus taxes
Corporate subsidy. See 'corporate welfare'
Welfare for the rich. What people have left after taxes
Greed. Profit motive
Profiteering. Not losing money
Managed competition. Government takeover
Socially responsible investments. Invest in money-losing ventures that liberals failed to get
Taxpayer funding for Social responsibility . Force someone else to pay for it
Compassion . Generosity with other peoples' money
Open-minded . Agrees with liberal agenda
Closed-minded . Does not agree with liberal agenda
Right wing extremist. See 'closed-minded'
Diversity . Lock step conformity with liberal agenda
Gridlock . System of checks and balances deliberately designed into the Constitution
Compromise . Agree with liberal agenda
Overheated economy. Prosperity
Trust fund. Ponzi investment scam
Special interest groups . Non-liberal groups
Exploit. Employ
Victim. Someone who doesn't work because of sloth
Fully fund . Blank check


I figure turnabout is fair PLAY


on Sep 24, 2005
Top 25 Things You Have to Believe to Be a Democrat Today


Drug addiction is a disease that should be treated with compassion and understanding...unless the addict is a Conservative talk show host.

The United States should be subservient to the United Nations. Our highest authority is not God and the U.S. Constitution, but a collective of tinpot dictators (and their appeasers) and the U.N. charter.

Government should relax drug laws regardless of the potential for abuse, but should pass new and unConstitutional anti-gun laws because of the potential for abuse.

Calls for increased security after a terrorist attack are "political opportunism," but calls for more gun control after a criminal's spree killing is "a logical solution."

"It Takes a Village" means everything you want it to mean...except creeping socialist government involvement in the nuclear family.

Disarming innocent, law-abiding citizens helps protect them from evil, lawless terrorists.

Slowly killing an unborn innocent by tearing it apart limb from limb is good. Slowly killing an innocent disabled woman by starving her to death is good. Quickly killing terrorists, convicted murderers and rapists is BAD.

Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn't Christianity.

The best way to support our troops is to criticize their every move. This will let them know they're thought of often.

Sexual harassment, groping and drug use are degenerate if you're the governor of California, but it's okay if you're the President of the United States.

Sex education should be required so that teens can make informed choices about sex, but gun education should be banned because it will turn those same teens into maniacal mass-murderers.

Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.

Poverty is the cause of all terrorism...which is why the leaders of al Qaeda are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.

The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt's Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded "reasonable precautions."

We should unquestioningly honor the wishes of our age-old allies, even when said allies no longer act like our allies and have vested economic interests in propping up our enemies.

Socialized medicine is the ideal. Nevermind all those people who spend every dime they have to get to the United States so they can get quality medical care...that their nation's socialized medical community can't provide.

Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Natalie Maines are perfectly qualified to criticize our leadership, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston, and Dennis Miller are just ignorant political hacks.

John Lott's research on how gun ownership reduces crime is junk science, but Michael Bellesiles is still an authority on why gun control is good (even though he was forced to resign from Emory due to research misconduct over his book "Arming America").

Bush's toppling the Saddam regime was a "diversion," but Clinton's lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was "sending a message."

A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies' intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn't pass in any legislature.

"The People" in the First Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Fourth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Ninth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but "the People" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).

You support a woman's "right to choose" to kill her unborn child, but don't believe that same woman is competent enough to homeschool the children she bears.

Proven draft-dodging is irrelevant, but baseless claims of AWOL status is crucial to national security.

Threatening to boycott Dr. Laura's and Rush Limbaugh's advertisers is exercising Freedom of Speech, but threatening to boycott CBS's "The Reagans" and Liberal actors over their asinine anti-American remarks is censorship and McCarthyist blacklisting.

or
How to be a good Democrat:

1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese & North Korean communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUVs.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression, and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E.Lee, and Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and really a very nice person.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belonged in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese government is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

21. You have to believe that this letter is part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.




There. now both parties can show off their stupid, petty, pointless, bs lists.
on Sep 24, 2005
figure turnabout is fair PLAY


It doesn't. It explains nothing
on Sep 24, 2005
Always nice to see your nice, unbiased views on conservative america, dabe......sheesh. Why don't ya just put on a swastika and suggest that we start a Dachau for republicans? It'd be more honest.
on Sep 24, 2005
Always nice to see your nice, unbiased views on conservative america, dabe......sheesh. Why don't ya just put on a swastika and suggest that we start a Dachau for republicans? It'd be more honest.


that's downright nasty!
on Sep 24, 2005
that's downright nasty!


Yeah, but I'm not surprised. Hatemongering is what righties do so well.
on Sep 24, 2005
Hatemongering is what righties do so well.


Oh the irony of that statement..........but here ya go, you've inspired me to write a new article. Link

on Sep 24, 2005
Here's what I think you need to be a conservative/republcan:

1. A firm beleif that, if left to their own devices, people will do the wrong thing. Liberals/democrats often seem to see it the opposite way; they have much more faith in human nature thn we do. it stems from their naive, rosy glasses outlook.

2. A firm belief that people who work hard and earn their money deserve to keep as much of it as possible, instead of having Big Government tax it and use it to support a neverending stream of programs for people who very often refuse to work.

3. A firm belief that, if a woman has the right to choose to have unprotected sex, the baby she helped create has just as much right to live.

4. A firm belief that personal Liberty and freedom from government imposition is the solution to all the world's ills. Once again, the liberals/democrats want more government involvement in people's lives (after all, "it takes a village to raise a child," right? But then, if a Republican government comes up with a few potentially intrusive programs of their own in, say, time of national crisis, it's becoming a "fascist state").

5. A firm belief in the Capitalist system to keep itselfand the nation afloat without government intervention and sanctions on industry and business.


6. A realization and recognition that the inherent inequality in race relations in America has, thanks to liberal politics in the last 40 years, turned in the other direction.

That's just a few off the top of my head...I know you won't agree with any of them, though.

By the way; becoming addicted to ~~perfectly legal~~ pain pills after painful medical procedures is quite a bit different from becoming addicted to, say, crack or heroin. One chooses to take those....they're not prescribed by a doctor.

I hear Al Frankenstein is in the soup for lying about his knowledge of misappropraited donations to help keep his dying show on the air.
Seems his signature helped steal government money from poor children at a youth center to sponsor his show; something of which he oiginally denied having any knowledge. That's despicable.

Also, liberal talk radio has been taking donations drummed up from Hillary, Ted, "Dingy" Harry, etc. to keep them afloat.....all the while, conservative talk radio doesn't have enough advertising space.
It's too bad "Air America" isn't as successful (or as well done) as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, et al. Maybe they'd have some listeners and would have at lasta little advertising revenue rather than having to depend on government money to stay on the air.
Maybe they'd also have more than just 70 stations fom coast-to-coast. We don't even have a station anywhere around here runs it.

But then, I guess it's appropriate...government money is what the Left is all about, right?
on Sep 24, 2005
Rightie,

Your claim that the left is all about government money? I'm suprised that your tounge didn't snap off it's roller. Seems as if the RIGHT is all about the government cake nowadays. Violating their own basic tenet about less money and centralized control. Hypocricy at it's finest is what the elephant specializes in lately.

As far as the rightie media lapdogs go? I have noticed that they haved tried to shift their programming to anything else BUT Iraq and Afghanistan lately. Jeez...I wonder why that is?

When it comes to the truth department, they can't hold Al's jock. That's why you guys hate him so much.


Excellent article Dabe!
on Sep 24, 2005
Seems as if the RIGHT is all about the government cake nowadays. Violating their own basic tenet about less money and centralized control
---thatoneguy

We're in a war, guy...wars require money and government control. Just ask FDR, who controlled prices, the press, virtually every aspect of Ameican life from 1941-1945. Besides, if master porkers like Byrd would lay off for a while, there just might be a little more to go around.



As far as the rightie media lapdogs go? I have noticed that they haved tried to shift their programming to anything else BUT Iraq and Afghanistan lately. Jeez...I wonder why that is?
---thatoneguy

Then you haven't been listening; for 3 weeks, it's been nothing ut hurricanes and relief efforts, with a few positive references to Iraq and Afghanistan thrown in here and there to ensure that they wouldn't be lost or ignored by the MSM.



When it comes to the truth department, they can't hold Al's jock. That's why you guys hate him so much.
---thatoneguy

Then why do you hate Rush?


Hatemongering is what righties do so well.
---dabe

+LOL+ Dabe, you're such a freaking hypocrite. YOU, dabe, are one of the biggest and worst haters on JU. You condemn LW and I for our "racist" views. Fine...that's your right. But I've been here year, and I've never, not once, wished death on anyone, even in jest. Though I can't speak completely for LW and her prodigous output, I feel safe in assuming that she never has, either.
You on the other hand, just recently, in fact, posted a reply where you said that you wished all conseratives would die. I wish I could remember which article it was on so could post it. If anyone does, please post the link. I responded by telling you to listen to yourself.

You're what is coloquially known as a "liberal whacko", dabe. You can't see the forest for the trees you hug. You are exactly what popular conservative talkers like Limbaugh get paid so very highly to make fun of. You need to go live with fellow whackjob Cindy Sheehan....at least until the Left gets done using her as its Cause of the Moment and moves on to its next cash cow.
on Sep 24, 2005
Always nice to see your nice, unbiased views on conservative america, dabe......sheesh. Why don't ya just put on a swastika and suggest that we start a Dachau for republicans? It'd be more honest.


that's downright nasty!


The truth often is. Hurts too dont it?
on Sep 24, 2005
We're in a war, guy...wars require money and government control.


No matter that this war is a rightie fiasco, built upon cooked intel and outright lies. What a waste of human life and resources.

Excellent article Dabe!


thank you, oneguy.

with a few positive references to Iraq and Afghanistan thrown in here and there to ensure that they wouldn't be lost or ignored by the MSM.


Positive??? You're kidding. Hmmmmmmm....... let's see:
More Iraqis tortured Link
Ex-Blair envoy gives Iraq warning Link
The 'myth' of Iraq's foreign fighters Link
Iraq coming apart, Saudi official warns Link
Suicide Blast at Baghdad Bus Depot Kills 7 Link
Poll: Fewer than half think U.S. will win in Iraq Link
A New Five-Star Hotel in Baghdad !! Link

these are just a few of the stories that I found in the past ten minutes. All really positive stuff, for sure, on the planet you're living on.

You condemn LW and I for our "racist" views


I sure do. You post the most racist crap, then spend half your writing time backtracking about how much you're not racists. Oh puleeeeze. If you don't like me, I really don't give a damn. Besides, you gotta relax, mon. You're head's gonna explode.

Anyway, while looking for some of the "positive" articles, I did come across this loverly portrait of your beloved dubya"

on Sep 24, 2005
Anyway, while looking for some of the "positive" articles, I did come across this loverly portrait of your beloved dubya"


This one's for you, dabe.